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Boundbooks ([personal profile] boundbooks) wrote2011-07-03 09:01 pm


A quick primer on how to look totally clueless, by Keith Mander:

@Jane: Does LiveJournal? Does Mugglenet? Does Does How much should I pay Tolkien? How should it be calculated? Should all donations the site has received (not much, I might add) be passed on to them? Would it be acceptable for the site to cover its costs? And have some cash to invest into improving the site? And what about the owner (who might be unemployed so that they have the time to run multiple sites) having some sort of wage so that they can eat and live? I’d like to better understand what you propose and what you would find acceptable.

Translation: I expect people to write for free, but since technical issues are real skills, I should be paid. All the money. To live on. Off of your free work. Also, I appear to be unaware that Tolkien is dead.

@AEÄRWEN: Do you ever use LiveJournal? YouTube? Other similar sites and platforms? People use them to publish and share their creative works for the benefit of a wider community and so that can interact with like minded people. Do these these sites run by corporations? Do they make money? Would these great sites exist if there wasn’t money available for its creators to survive and afford to spend their time developing these services? Is a better platform? Has more features? Has money played a role in that occurring?...And yes, I’m familiar of the FanLib saga although I wasn’t engaged in the community when it played out.

Translation: I still do not understand the difference between a platform and attempting to buy content I do not own. Also, I attempt to hedge about being involved with fandom by using the phrase 'engaged in the community', unaware that it is the most hilarious transparent bullshit understatement ever when followed by my latter comments.

@XYZ: Hardly the look of a corporate big-wig? I’m really quite a decent, likeable guy. I can see how some of my language, with buzzwords and money-orientated talk might paint a picture of me as a corporate tycoon relentlessly pursuing profit. It’s really just the language of the community I engage with at times. The language and buzzwords in fan fiction is also quite impregnable to the newcomer (slash, canon, and other words had me a bit thrown to begin with).

Translation: I am so goddamn clueless about what I got myself into that it's hilarious.

@WINGEDVICTORY: Sharing profits is an idea that could be explored further, should there be profits or any money involved at all. Indeed there are forums and communities which share profits with users based on their engagement and other factors.

Translation: I still have no idea what a 'copyright violation' is. Nor do I understand the concept of a rhetorical question.

@ZIGGY: ...It sounds like you think it’s fair for the admin to receive some wage for running the site so that they can eat, survive and be able to dedicate their site to develop the site, would I be correct in saying that?...The reality is that I’m quite clueless about some of the issues and want to stay open, saying something like the NC-17 policy won’t change might be shooting myself in the foot. As I explain in my response to KYMAHALEI, nothing is going to change with this unless you want to do so. So my previous comment that it ‘could change but definitely not now’ is accurate, I just didn’t make myself clear enough that it’s really up to you.

Translation: I will throw authors and users to the fucking wolves, if need be.

@STELLA: I’d love to develop a better archiving software that everyone can benefit from, if you’ll allow me. I’m confident that I can do a really great job, just like I’ve done with other sites which people love. But for now, as per our most recent announcement, nothing is really set to change.

Translation: Please allow me to use your work as my risk-free venture capital source. Also, I am super entitled and believe that you fandom people are infringing on my right to build a business. Clearly, you should all shut up, sit down, and wait for me to produce results while you fund me.

Keith Mander, your comment is a dream. AFK for dying from laughter.

edit on 7/9/2011 - tagged with the ship: draco/hermione tag because of an epic Dramione fanfic meta/tropes discussion in the comments courtesy of [personal profile] musyc and [personal profile] mswyrr!
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[personal profile] elf 2011-07-04 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
"Slash" and "canon" were confusing? Wow, he's really not going to deal well with the crossover kink-meme wingfic, is he?

I really do think he's a nice guy. Wow, he is *so* clueless. And he's apparently gotten good reactions from the Twilight site, and he's just blown away here.

(cannot stop giggling)

He wants to develop better archiving software, awww. And without knowing of the *existence of slash*, he's going to do a faster, better job of it than the OTW or efiction people. They're so *cute* when they're delusional.

(still giggling)

nothing is going to change with this unless you want to do so

He's apparently under the impression people *want* changes? And that he's going to be able to figure out what those are?

(you're right; best comment ever.)
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[personal profile] musyc 2011-07-04 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
"Slash" and "canon" were confusing? Wow, he's really not going to deal well with the crossover kink-meme wingfic, is he?

LOL My first thought as well. Dude doesn't even know what canon is? He is going to have a stroke when he finds the Boromir/Faramir stuff, much less anything more intense.

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[personal profile] musyc 2011-07-04 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I can just imagine his thought process at reading about fanfic in some article somewhere. "God, this fanfiction thing is awesome! Why hasn't anyone made money off this yet? I WILL BE THE FIRST ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR."

Well, he might have the despair part right. And I love how he keeps holding up his Winnie the Pooh site as an example of the great things he can provide. Um, yeah, I had a look. As far as I can tell, the only fan-interactive portion of it is the "fun" section, where you can ... play games, send e-cards, and take polls. The only fan-contribution section is a recipe contest from three years ago. TOTALLY has me convinced that he's actually interested in the fans and what they have to provide.
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[personal profile] musyc 2011-07-04 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I love Dreamwidth's icon space, no lie. I have something for everything.

HAHAHAHA SERIOUSLY. I bet he wouldn't be able to fathom the concept of something like pairing-specific archives. Can you imagine this guy trying to navigate the shoals of a shipwar on his pretty little fandom site?

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[personal profile] mswyrr 2011-07-04 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
The stupid, it hurts. OH GOD MAN. STOP TALKING.
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[personal profile] mswyrr 2011-07-04 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
rotfl. As you can see from my other comments, I've totally talked myself into the grand spirit of schadenfreude, so I'm down with you being right about this now. :)

((settles in to watch the fireworks))

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[personal profile] elf 2011-07-04 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
It hurts so much I had to make a post that started with PLEASE SHUT UP and linked it from his blog.

Because gaah. Dude. Stop digging already.

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[personal profile] yoshitsune 2011-07-04 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
Wow this is so bad it's hilarious. And given that he's so clueless about fandom (let alone the canon), it's rather obvious that he's a "corporate tycoon" wannabe. And what is copyright lol?. Thanks for reporting this delicious piece of drama.
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[personal profile] starlady 2011-07-04 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Impregnable? IMPREGNABLE?

I can't breathe, I just, ah ha ha ha SERIOUSLY!?
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[personal profile] skull_bearer 2011-07-04 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure some people are already writing him into a RPF mpreg.
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[personal profile] ithiliana 2011-07-04 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Here from elf's linkspam!

Wow. Just, wow.


I could almost feel sorry for him if he hadn't hurt so many people and so badly affected the archive.

Thanks for the brilliant commentary, too!

Am linking back!
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[personal profile] mme_hardy 2011-07-04 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
::admires you from afar and tracks::

By the way, I totally adore your theme. It's so cheerful.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2011-07-06 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, nice roundup. *shares popcorn*

*offers sympathy to LotR folks*

Great translation!

(Anonymous) 2011-07-06 05:40 am (UTC)(link)
That was very enjoyable and you can also add:

The language and buzzwords in fan fiction is also quite impregnable to the newcomer (slash, canon, and other words had me a bit thrown to begin with)

Fandom buzz words are not the only ones I am not familiar with. Ordinary English ones too: using 'impregnable' when I mean 'impenetrable' shows that I cannot use non-fandom vocabulary correctly either. Dictionaries are a good thing, but for other people - sort of like doing my own homework, I guess.


Sorry but I really hate it when people confuse words just because they have more than two syllables and have several letters in common.

- 'Impregnable': cannot be taken, eg: this fortress was impregnable. We gave up the siege and went home...

- 'Impenetrable': impossible to understand or penetrate, eg: your meaning was impenetrable.

Sorry, but English is not my first language so I turn into a grammar and spelling nazi at the drop of a hat. I have an endless tolerance for typos, but not for using long words you do not understand, hoping to intimidate your interlocutor.

And let's not even mention using 'is' instead of 'are' even though the subject of the sentence is a plural and 'in fandom' when one should use 'of fandom'.

Re: Great translation!

(Anonymous) 2011-07-06 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, I just realized everyone else had noticed already... it really make him look like a complete tool though - if the rest of his reply didn't already do so.

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[personal profile] charloween 2011-07-07 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I had fun with that, too! /awkward self-pimp

What's funny about the two words is that they both mean (roughly) to invade or to breach. If we want to be charitable and assume Mander was being clever in his word use, he's pretty much comparing fandom to a fortress he's been trying to assault. If not (I don't! It's more fun this way!) we can all enjoy a collective *facepalm* in his direction.

There's also the pregnant/penetrated connotation lurking behind his choice of words. Oh, Mander, what we could do with you at a feminist psychoanalysis conference panel...

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